Frequently Asked Questions
Transportation
We're about 3 hours from the El Paso International Airport and about 4 hours from Albuquerque. Be sure to note areas for
gas/food as they can be far apart in places. However, for a remote mountain experience we are rather accessible.
The mountain roads may pose some challenges, so it's important to speak with leaders who plan on driving. Communicate navigation and timelines beforehand.
Upon registration we will be sending you resources specific to your time with us.
Including:
-Tips for winter driving in our area
-Great public lands to camp on
-Navigation at night on dirt roads
Resources
Based on your group size, program needs, and timeline, we will put together resources to support the best experience possible while your here.
This means we don't wait for you to reach out, we send the resources to you.
Expect email updates and a resource packet until a week before your visit, this is when we'd like to speak to you more in depth on the phone. This also does a good job of reminding you of requirements you'll need upon arrival.
Including:
-BSA Health Forms
-Any remaining account balance
-Names and payment for visitors
-Order of the Arrow Call out
-Any class changes
Communication
We make our staff available before, during, and after your time at Wehinahpay because we value customer service.
We know you depend on us for information and assistance, and it is a joy for us to respond quickly and adequately. You are not an interruption to our work-day so please reach out if our resources don't give you the information you need.
Including:
-Navigation questions
-Accessibility needs
-Program materials and details
-Health and Safety
-Staff qualifications
-Specific accommodations
wHILE YOU're HERE
Once you arrive our staff will be on hand to give you a tour of camp and help you settle in to your campsite. That way, you will be prepared for the rest of the week.
You will have a print out of your week's schedule and attend a leaders' meeting for the information you'll need to make the most of your week. All leaders, including SPLs, are welcome to join us.
Throughout the week our camp commissioner and seasonal staff are known to check in often. Go to them for anything!
Including:
-Scheduling changes
-Campsite or facility needs
-Suggestions for improvement
-Quality conversation
Environment
Elevation
Wehinahpay is in a narrow canyon high in the Sacramento Mountains, about 8,500 feet above sea level. In addition, some trails in and around camp reach well above that. One of the downsides of our elevation is altitude sickness, especially from units traveling from much lower elevations. Make sure you and your Scouts drink plenty of water and don't over-exert yourself as you acclimate. It's also to help make some preparations before arriving to help everyone have a better time. Hydrating properly at least 72 hours prior to your trip and walking each day for a week beforehand will help both you and your Scouts be ready for our terrain.
Weather
Wehinahpay's temperatures range from the upper 30s at night to the lower to mid-80s in the day during the summer and can have highs as low as the 40s during the winter. Make sure your unit packs accordingly and be sure to review the weather forecasts for the area in the week leading up to your visit. Even if you have a warm sleeping bag, it's not a bad idea to bring an extra blanket just in case. Jackets that you can layer are essential for your comfort.
Weather can be unpredictable, once the monsoon season hits, usually in July, daily rains can be expected in the afternoons. On other days the camp may experience high winds. Also, while rare, storms have occurred with hail and sleet.
Review the BSA Hazardous Weather Training or contact us for more pro tips.
Terrain
Mountainous terrain can be difficult to navigate at times. Open-toed shoes should only be worn as shower shoes in our shower houses.
Wildlife
WMC is a wilderness setting where it is common to encounter various forms of wildlife. Dangerous forms of wildlife at Wehinahpay could include bears, mountain lions, elk, or the Wowzer. While encounters with any of these forms of wildlife are extremely rare, you should be on the lookout. Bears typically stay out of campsites but food and other objects that may appeal to their sense of smell should be locked securely in the troop's trailer or vehicles in the parking lot. No food or drinks, other than water, in the campsites during summer camp.
On the upside, Wehinahpay is largely void of biting insects e.g. mosquitos, ticks, and chiggers.
While at Wehinahpay you may also see a variety of hummingbirds, Western Tanagers, bees, and other wildlife.
Bovines are also a common sight due to local ranchers.ddddd
Cellular and WIFI
Summer Camp Program: No cellular service is available on our property, but we are happy to provide access to a landline in specific situations. While Wehinahpay does have areas with Wi-Fi they have limited bandwidth. We are managing our camp operations in the summer with that bandwidth and ask you NOT to expect access to it.
We understand that many of our volunteers still have work and family responsibilities so contact us before your stay regarding availability during your Summer Program session so you can communicate that to work and family beforehand.
We do have our "Leaders' Lounge" which is a time for catching up on emails, communicating with staff or with parents back home, and relaxing a bit from the excitement of the program. Here we'll have coffee, cookies, and optional activities curated for adult volunteers and adult leaders.
Streaming of any kind should wait until the trip home.
Food and dining
Summer Camp Program: We perform a flag ceremony your first morning before Breakfast and again after dinner. These are both opportunities to meet for announcements and songs. Our dining hall flow is "in one door, out the other" so be sure to pay attention to directions before meals so everyone gets fed in a timely manner.
We welcome and encourage each troop or crew to lead a flag and/or a pre-meal moment of reverence as per your council, troop, or family traditions. If you would like to have your group participate, you can sign up anytime during the week at The Maddox Activity Center.
A Scout is clean! We ask that all members of a troop or crew act as "hoppers" after each meal. Hoppers help clean their section and notify staff when you are ready to leave the dining hall so your area is ready for the next group and your next meal.
Ask EVERYONE from your group if they have any specific dietary preferences, restrictions, or allergies as soon as possible. We reach out prior to your arrival so we can accommodate to the best of our ability, so having that information when we call will be incredibly helpful to those whose needs should be met. If parents wish to send specially prepared meals with Scouts for safety reasons, we do have a refrigerator with space available. Please have that individual or individual's parent/guardian contact us directly.
Rental and Off-Season Program: Your accommodations will have some kitchen resources dependent on your program needs or reservation. Discuss what you think you may need with your group before registration, so we are better able to accommodate.
We go out to the post office every day around lunch. Expect all mail to take a day longer than your tracking indicates due to the transfer between our local mail facility and our camp.
Mail will be distributed at meal times and should be labeled with the following information.
Jimmy Smith, Troop/Crew ____
Wehinahpay Mountain Camp
319 Potato Canyon Road
Sacramento, NM 88347
Jimmy Smith, Staff Member
Wehinahpay Mountain Camp
319 Potato Canyon Road
Sacramento, NM 88347
things to do on the way to camp
Carlsbad Caverns National Park
This incredible park features more than 100 caves. Stalactites cling to the roof of these magnificent structures. High ancient sea ledges, deep rocky canyons, flowering cactus, and desert wildlife—treasures above the ground in the Chihuahuan Desert. Hidden beneath the surface are more than 119 caves—formed when sulfuric acid dissolved limestone leaving behind caverns of all sizes.
New Mexico Museum of Space Exploration
The New Mexico Museum of Space History is a museum and planetarium complex in Alamogordo, New Mexico, dedicated to artifacts and displays related to space flight and the space age. It includes the International Space Hall of Fame.
White Sands National Monument
Rising from the heart of the Tularosa Basin is one of the world's great natural wonders - the glistening white sands of New Mexico. Great wave-like dunes of gypsum sand have engulfed 275 square miles of desert, creating the world's largest gypsum dunefield. White Sands National Monument preserves a major portion of this unique dunefield, along with the plants and animals that live here.
White Sands Missile Range Museum
At the White Sands Missile Range museum you can trace the origin of America's missile and space activity, find out how the atomic age began and learn about the accomplishments of scientists like Dr. Wernher von Braun and Dr. Clyde Tombaugh at White Sands. Displays also include the prehistoric cultures and the rip-roaring Old West found in southern New Mexico.
FAQ
Summer Camp
Can Scouts BSA female troops be combined with Scouts BSA male troops to camp together?
Absolutely. Although the same procedures will need to be met as is listed under the question CAN WE SHARE A CAMPSITE WITH ANOTHER UNIT. As long as Youth Protection is being followed that is completely fine.
Is there anything I need to do if I visit for the day?
You will need to check in at the main office where we will get your name, and a medical form (parts A and B for a day visit) and give you a wristband to wear so our staff knows you have checked in.
Do I have to pay if I am just visiting for the day?
Yes, you will need to pay even if you are just visiting for the day. This is to cover the cost of food while you are present.
What is the adult-to-youth ratio at camp?
At least two over 21+ adults are required at a minimum for every unit that comes to camp. That being said for payment every 10 youth equals one adult who can come for free. (ex. 10 youth equals 1 free adult. 11 equals 2 free adults. 21 equals 3 adults).
What if I need to leave in the middle of the week?
A check-out binder is in the office. So long as the unit maintains appropriate supervision you can simply sign out in the office after you let them know if you will be back.
Do we have to hike our gear all the way to our campsite?
Not necessarily. On unit arrival day we will have some staff who will be driving trailers to and from the campsites and the parking lot. The staff will coordinate when you can load gear into one of the trailers. Our camp ranger has the final say about what can be taken up. If you have a single-axle trailer we might be able to bring it up to your campsite, double-axle trailers cannot go up the hill to campsites. When everyone is leaving we will also offer assistance in hauling your gear back down to the parking lot.
What if I need WiFi so I can work?
There is limited Wi-Fi available near the camp office that adult leaders can use. Because it is limited we do ask that if you do not need to use it you don’t. If what you need to do requires a lot of bandwidth it will more than likely be better for you to leave camp and visit Cloudcroft (1 hour drive away) where there is much more Wi-Fi available (we recommend stopping at the Cloudcroft Library). Leaders should not share the Wi-Fi password with their Scouts.
What do I need to do as an adult while at camp?
There are two big things we ask adult leaders to do while they’re at camp: 1: Be there for and support your youth 2: Relax. Outside of those things, there isn’t much that the Camp will ask of you. We will have an adult leader meeting which at least one person in your unit should attend so you are informed about activities that will be going on at camp and what will be going on. Depending on the week we might look for adult leaders to help teach merit badge classes. If you are passionate and willing to teach a merit badge our staff doesn’t offer you are encouraged to email the camp director about offering it while you are here.
Where are the designated smoking areas?
You may only smoke in your personal vehicle in the absence of Scouts. The trash from smoking cannot be disposed of in camp trash receptacles, you must pack it out with you.
Can we have fires in our campsite?
That depends on the Forest Service regulations the week you are here. There are times when due to low moisture the fire danger is higher than others. If it is high enough campfires are not allowed, otherwise fires may be allowed. A fire danger sign is present on the parade field and is updated as the danger level changes. If you want to know before you arrive you can email the camp or program director.
What are the campsites like?
Are campsites have canvas wall tents that you will stay in with each having two cots in them. Every site should have a covered picnic table available for use and a flag pole not far away. Units are more than welcome to conduct flag ceremonies in their campsites. Campsites will have a close by pit toilet with a sink and hose that people can use to wash their hands and fill up water.
Can our unit leave early?
If your unit would like to leave early to get an earlier start on a long drive or visit a nearby national park that is absolutely fine. Plan this with the camp or program director and camp ranger ahead of time. We will try our best to help facilitate moving your equipment back to your cars, but our staff have other responsibilities and might be unavailable to help. Please plan accordingly.
Are bears a problem?
No, BUT they can be. We have not had any issues with bears and are quite proud of that. However, that is because over the years people have done a good job keeping food and other things bears might like secured at night and when no one is present. We are not worried about bears but it is better to be safe than sorry. Please do not store food in your campsites, secure the lid on the garbage, and if you have any questions about specific items please ask.
What do the showers and bathrooms look like?
The camp has two shower houses near both ends of the campsites that each have 12 bathroom stalls. Each stall has a toilet, shower, sink, and mirror and are to be used by one person at a time. Throughout the campsites are several pit toilets that have a sink outside that can be used to wash one's hands after use.
What will the weather be like?
That really depends. While every day can vary and we do not guarantee what is beyond our control we will say that often the days are quite warm in the 70s to 80s with the nights dropping down to the 40s. The later part of the summer is often when monsoon season starts and often that manifests as rain showers around noon. The showers can be intense and have a lot of water come down but don’t often last more than 2 hours. The temperatures tend to drop even further after heavy rain.
Do campsites have electricity?
Some do have access to electricity. These sites will be prioritized for those who need it for medical reasons such as having a CPAP.
What if someone in my unit has medication that must be kept refrigerated?
Our medic has a refrigerator that is specifically set aside for medication. Let our medical staff know during check-in and they will be more than happy to keep it cool for you.
What if someone has dietary restrictions (food allergy, vegetarian, gluten-free, etc)?
When they are registering there is a field that can be filled out for that.
Can we reserve a specific campsite?
You can ask about a specific campsite but campsites are assigned to make sure everyone who wants to attend a specific week is able to, as well as if anyone needs electricity they have access to it. We will try to accommodate your request but can make no guarantees.
Can we share a campsite with another unit?
You are more than welcome to ask about that. It depends on the size of both your units, as well as the other units going to camp that week. Each Unit must make separate reservations. Please see the question CAN WE RESERVE A SPECIFIC CAMPSITE for more details.
Can we arrive or depart early or late?
Yes and no. Whether it's the long road, or for other reasons, if you need to arrive at camp early, we simply ask that you notify us no sooner than a week before your arrival for us to prepare your campsite. If you find yourself running late day of, it's also good to let us know before you're out of cell service range so we can prepare accordingly. You may also depart Friday night if you wish to get on the road early, just discuss this with our camp administration and especially the camp ranger prior to departing so we can get your gear down to your vehicles. All units must depart from camp no later than 10:00 AM on Saturday.
Can a Scout from a different unit join us at camp?
Yes, but they will need to make a separate reservation.
Can we bring our own guns or archery equipment to use at camp?
No. BSA policy prohibits the presence and use of personal firearms of any kind at camp (including archery) unless you are an officer of the law required to carry within your jurisdiction.
What is the camp's knife policy?
It is illegal in the state of New Mexico to carry a switchblade, gravity knife, or a Balisong/butterfly knife. In addition, New Mexico also prohibits the concealed carry of the following: a dirk knife, poniard, or any type of dagger; a bowie knife; a butcher knife; and any weapon that can cause dangerous wounds.
Otherwise, in accordance with the BSA's policy on knives, there is no ban on fixed-blade knives, nor is there a limit on blade length. Also noting that The Boy Scout Handbook, Bear Handbook, and Webelos Handbook contain the program for the safe and responsible use of knives. The BSA believes choosing the right equipment for the job at hand is the best answer to the question of what specific knife should be used.
A valid Totin' Chip must be carried by any Scout using a knife or cutting instrument, or that wishes to purchase a knife in our trading post. The Totin' Chip may be earned during evening program in the Scoutcraft Area at the start of the week.
May I bring my ATV or UTV to get around camp?
No.
May I bring my own bike to get around camp?
Yes. You and your Scout are welcome to bring a bicycle to traverse the camp and get from place to place. The following must be followed while doing so: Guide to Safe Scouting policies; all cyclists must wear a helmet at all times when riding their bicycle; all traffic laws, including speed limits must be followed; our trails are not built for bicycles, stick to the roads, also, traveling through campsites and cutting across the valley is prohibited; keep bikes off the Maddox porch; and locks or other methods of securing your bicycle cannot be destructive to the camp and the nature surround ing it.
Can I bring my pet to camp?
No, pets are not allowed on camp property.
What is the refund policy?
What if there is a medical emergency?
Our camp has a highly qualified medical staff that can respond to many possible medical emergencies. We have an office for our medic's office which is stocked with supplies to assist in likely emergencies. If something requires a person to seek advanced care we can send them down to a hospital in Alamogordo or will call for a ambulance to get them. If either is required the emergency contact will be notified.
Will I be able to charge my phone or other electronics?
There is a power strip available to adult leaders that can be used to charge electronics in the Leader's Lounge. It is on a first come first serve basis and once it is full it is full. You can bring any portable solar chargers if you wish. It is best to plan for not having it.
Are mountain lions around camp?
The camp has not had any issues with mountain lions. While they are native to the Sacramento Mountains they tend to avoid people and if bear procedures are followed should not be a concern.
What if there is a severe storm?
If a severe storm hits camp with lightning striking close by and flooding is an issue we will have people wait in designated buildings that are safer until the weather becomes safer. Such buildings include the Lake Lodge, The Maddox Activity Center, and the Jack Danglade Dining Hall. In such circumstances, all visitors are required to follow all staff instructions. There is a difference between a storm and severe weather.
Trail to First Class (TFC)
(First-Year Camper Program)
Currently under review for 2024's summer camp season.
Which requirements will get signed off?
The requirements are listed in the leaders guide and copied here.
In-Camp Available Requirements
Tenderfoot - 3a,3b,3c,4a,4b,4c,4d,5a,5b,5c,6a,7a,8
Second Class- 1b,2a,2b,2c,2d,2f,2g3a,3b,3c,3d,4,6a,6b,6c,8a,8b,9a,9b
First Class, 3a,3b,3c,3d,4a,4b,5a,5b,5c,5d,7a,7b,7c,7d, 7e
Communication: 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 2a, 2b, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9
First Aid: 1, 2a, 2b, 2c, 3, 4, 5a, 5b, 6a, 6b, 6c, 7a, 7b, 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 9, 10a, 1b, 11a, 11b, 11c, 11e, 11f, 12a, 12b, 12c, 12d, 12e, 12f, 12g, 12h, 12i, 12j, 12k, 12l, 12m, 12n, 12o, 12p, 13a, 13b, 14
Family Life: 1,2,3,4,6a,7 (requirements 2,3, and 4 can be started but not completed at camp)
What if they also want to take merit badge classes?
Fortunately, the first-year camper program is a 3-hour session and there are 6 sessions in a day (one morning session and one afternoon session). The Scout interested in taking our first-year camper program may take the morning or afternoon session and fill up the other slots with other classes.
Do they need to bring their book with them?
Yes. With the amount of referencing the book that happens and checking requirements that go on the Scout does need to bring their book with them.
What if this isn’t their first summer camp?
They are still more than welcome to join the program. Our program is designed to work on rank requirements so the longer they have been a Scout the more it is that they have already completed some. But we will not turn anyone away and they can still get other requirements signed off.
Are there any specific pieces of equipment that should be brought for this program?
You can check the requirements in advance but you shouldn’t need anything other than what would normally be brought to camp. If you have any specific questions you can contact the camp or program director.
High Adventure
High adventure treks will not be offered for summer 2024. Check back in spring 2025. The information here is outdated and will be updated as program is developed.
Can Scouts BSA female Troops be combined with Scouts BSA male Troops to camp together?
Absolutely. As long as everyone who attends is a registered member of the BSA Hay Canyon organizes groups into Crews which are distinct from their home units. As such so long as Youth Protection is being followed within the Hay Canyon Crew that is absolutely fine. Members of the Crew can be from all different units.
What is the adult-to-youth ratio?
2 21 years old or older adults must accompany any Crew. The genders of the youth must also be represented in the adult leadership (youth females require at least 1 adult female, and youth males require at least 1 adult male).
How old do I have to be to participate?
In order to participate you need to be either 14 years old or 13 and finished the 8th grade.
What will the weather be like?
That really depends. While every day can vary and we do not guarantee what is beyond our control we will say that often the days are quite warm in the 70s to 80s with the nights dropping down to the 40s. The later part of the summer is often when monsoon season starts and often that manifests as rain showers around noon. The showers can be intense and have a lot of water come down but don’t often last more than 2 hours.
Can we bring our own tents?
You should. The Camp is not responsible for any damage that might happen while in use. You will likely be more comfortable with your own tent. If you do not have a tent you can contact the camp and there are a limited number of available tents that they can outfit you
How many people can fit in a tent the camp gives out?
Our tents are designed to fit 3 people.
Do we need boots?
It is recommended that participants wear sturdy boots for hiking over varied terrain. Treks will not stick to defined roads and trails so any foot gear should be found bushwacking across mountains. If you backpack a lot and prefer a lighter shoe that is fine. If you are not sure we recommend wearing boots for your trip.
What food and equipment are provided?
Great food and equipment… It is designed to provide enough nutrients and all the needed food groups while on trek. The calorie count is higher than people probably eat normally but that is the provide energy for the hiking cross country. If you would like a specific menu please email the Camp Director or Chief Guide. Can be found in the leaders guide under the gear list.
How far will we hike?
That depends on you as a Crew. There are different routes available that have different distances and elevation changes. You can hike farther or shorter depending on how much you feel like doing. You can push yourselves or take it easy. It is entirely up to you.
What kind of program will we do while we are trekking?
That is a great question. It is currently being developed by the staff and we are looking for Crews to test out possible program ideas we have. Email the Council Program Director if you would like to know more about the first year's testing high adventure program.
Can this count for any awards?
This is a High Adventure trek that is designed around the experience, not awards. While it can count towards some it is the responsibility of the participant to keep track of that. Our Staff can teach a few extra relevant things relating to the activity if asked about it.
What if we have a medical issue on the trail?
Adult leaders are the designated medical officers on the trail. One adult should be certified in at least Wilderness First Aid. Our Staff are trained and certified in Wilderness First Aid and can assist. Depending on the exact issue the staff might contact the base to have our medic come out to the Crew, get picked up, or tie in with Forest Service resources for ambulances or other more technical resources. If an issue comes up greater than basic first aid treatment while on the trail the emergency contact listed will be notified.
Can we change our itinerary after we depart?
Yes, you can. Talk to the Staff member with you and they can facilitate that change. It will likely still require some hiking places such as Hay Canyon (outpost program), and back to Wehinahpay.
What if we don’t want to hike anymore?
That should be figured out before you arrive. Followed by very quickly on the first day. You will need to hike back to Wehinahpay or Hay Canyon one way or another.
Aren’t bears an issue?
Not really. The forest does have black bears in it but they have not been problematic. We will be storing our food to keep it away from bears so that we still have it and bears don’t associate humans with food. This will be done by using bear bags every evening while away from Wehinahpay. If a bear is encountered our staff are trained in how to scare them off.
There is one older Scout who wants to do a High Adventure trek. Can they do that while the Troop does the regular program?
Yes. They will be in a provisional Crew made up of other youth from that week of summer camp. The standard fee is $260 for that program. They will have two staff be assigned as their Adult supervisors for the trek.
What is the refund policy?
Same as summer. See guide
Can we charge electronics while on the trail?
Unfortunately, the Lincoln National Forest is not equipped with power outlets or USB ports for charging, nor is the satellite site Hay Canyon treks hike to. If so desired you can bring a portable solar panel for charging, or external batteries. Otherwise, you should plan to have no opportunities to charge.
Are mountain lions a concern on the trail?
While mountain lions are native to the Sacramento mountains and Lincoln National Forest they have not been a concern. Mountain Lions tend to avoid people and if bear procedures are followed should steer clear of any of our crews. If one is encountered our staff are trained in what to do to scare them off.
Do we need to bring our uniforms?
Uniforms should be brought to camp and will be worn while at Wehinahpay before and after the trek during flag ceremonies and at meals. It can be left at camp while you are on the trail and be put back on after you return.
What if someone has dietary restrictions (food allergy, vegetarian, gluten-free, etc)?
When they are registering there is a location that can be filled out for that.
What if there is a severe storm?
There is a difference between a storm and severe weather. All weather is beyond our control. Situations will be handled on a case-by-case basis. Depending on the severity it might include going into lightning position, moving to higher ground out of flood plains, and waiting for weather to pass.
Cub Camp
What is the adult-to-youth ratio?
For Tigers, every Cub needs to be accompanied by an adult. For Wolfs through Weeblos, the ratio is 1 adult for every 4 Cubs. Every youth does need to have a designated adult who is in charge of their supervision. If you are having trouble making these requirements please contact the camp director.
What will we do during the day?
Multiple program areas are set up that you and your group (we make) make your way around to the different areas doing various activities at each. As you make your way around you complete challenges and earn prizes. A staff member will accompany every group.
What is my role as a parent?
Your role is to relax and have fun with your Cub. We encourage parents to participate in games and offer help when asked but you can leave all the heavy lifting to the staff. You run the program all year and while you are here it is the least we can do to give you a break.
How will activities and groups be structured?
When you arrive you will be put into a group with other participants who are at the same Cub Scout level (a group of bears, a group of Tigers, a group of Weblos, etc). Each group will be accompanied by a staff member who will help make sure they get to each program area and have everything they need. The groups will hike around to the different program areas of camp and do activities in each.
Do we need Pack or Den leadership?
No, while encouraged to attend they are not necessary. Individual parents can sign up with their Cubs which happens frequently and it does not change the experience you will have.
Does my child have to be in Scouting to attend?
No. If your child is in Kindergarten through the 5th grade you can join us for a fun weekend at Wehinahpay Mountain Camp.
What requirements will we be able to sign off?
We don’t focus on requirements but rather focus on having a fun time at camp. We don’t want to repeat or replace the regular Pack program. Our activities are designed to reinforce Scout skills and group groups as teams.
What are the campsites like?
Are campsites have canvas wall tents that you will stay in with each having two cots in them. Every site should have a covered picnic table available for use and a flag pole not far away. Units are more than welcome to conduct flag ceremonies in their campsites. Campsites will have a close by pit toilet with a sink and hose that people can use to wash their hands and fill up water.
What do the showers and bathrooms look like?
The camp has two showerhouses near both ends of the campsites that each have 12 bathroom stalls. Each stall has a toilet, shower, sink, and mirror and are to be used by one person at a time. Throughout the campsites are several pit toilets that have a sink outside that can be used to wash one's hands after use.
Do campsites have electricity?
Some do have access to electricity. These sites will be prioritized for those who need it for medical reasons such as having a CPAP. There are also batteries available for CPAP use, please reach out to the camp administration for inquiries about reserving one of these for your stay. Generators are not allowed in campsites.
What if someone in my Unit has medication that must be kept refrigerated?
Our Med Lodge has a refrigerator that is specifically set aside for medication. Let our medical staff know during check-in and they will be more than happy to keep it cool for you.
Can we reserve a specific campsite?
You can ask about specific campsites but campsites are assigned to make sure everyone who wants to attend a specific week is able to, as well as if anyone needs electricity they have access to it. We will try to accommodate your request but can make no guarantees.
Can a Scout from a different unit join us at camp?
Yes, but they will need to make a separate reservation.
Can I bring my pet to camp?
No, pets are not allowed on camp property.
What is the refund policy?
What if there is a medical emergency?
Our camp has a highly qualified medical staff that can respond to many possible medical emergencies. We have an office for our medical lodge which is stocked with supplies to assist in likely emergencies. If something requires a person to seek advanced care we can send them down to a hospital in Alamogordo or will call for an ambulance to get them. If either is required the emergency contact will be notified.
Will I be able to charge my phone or other electronics?
There is a power strip available to adult leaders that can be used to charge electronics in the office. It is on a first come first serve basis and once it is full it is full. You can bring any portable solar chargers if you wish. It is best to plan for not having it.
Are mountain lions around camp?
The camp has not had any issues with mountain lions. While they are native to the Sacramento Mountains they tend to avoid people and if bear procedures are followed should not be a concern.
Are bears a problem?
No, BUT they can be. We have not had any issues with bears and are quite proud of that. However, that is because over the years people have done a good job keeping food and other things bears might like secured at night and when no one is present. We are not worried about bears but it is better to be safe than sorry. Please do not store food in your campsites, secure the lid on the garbage, and if you have any questions about specific items please ask.
Do we need to bring our uniform?
If you have a uniform you should bring it. It will be worn during flag ceremonies and at meals. If you don’t have a uniform don’t worry, that is ok. You are more than welcome at camp.
What if someone has dietary restrictions (food allergy, vegetarian, gluten-free, etc)?
When they are registering there is a location that can be filled out for that.
What if there is a severe storm?
If a severe storm hits camp with lightning striking close by and flooding is an issue we will have people wait in designated buildings that are safer until the weather becomes safer. Such buildings include the Lake Lodge, The Maddox, and the Dining Hall. In such circumstances, all visitors are required to follow all staff instructions. There is a difference between a storm and severe weather.
Staff
Are we paid?
Yes. While there are some volunteer positions or positions people pay to have such as Councilor-In-Training (CIT) or volunteer commissioner, all other staff positions are paid.
How much are we paid?
Pay depends on the position being held and experience going into the season. If you would like to know the exact amount you should contact the camp or program director.
What is housing like?
Staff housing consists of two main areas. Most staff live on Staff Hill, which is located on the hill behind the Maddox and in front of the dining hall. Typically those who are not camp or program leadership stay here. Staff Hill consists of four cabins, a central fire pit and gathering area, and a staff-only shower house. The shower house has multiple private stalls, each consisting of a toilet, sink, mirror, and shower. The shower house also is home to staff-only laundry facilities (detergent not included). The cabins on Staff Hill are either set up in a duplex, or quad form, inside bunks and dressers are provided for sleeping and storage of belongings. The second location of staff camping is down in Family Camping, located around the Yates Johnson Lodge (aka the Family Center). Here is typically where the camp administration and program leadership reside during the duration of summer camp. These cabins feature beds and dressers, and each cabin has its own toilet, sink, shower, mirror, and small kitchen area with an oven and stove, microwave, sink, and refrigerator. The Family Center is home to a common area and the Family Camping laundry.
Can we work on merit badges and awards?
Yes, while you may be teaching one merit badge, staff are more than welcome to work on others while they are here in their free time.
What do days off look like?
Staff's time off will typically start around 10-10:30 AM on Saturday after the dismissal of campers and the cleaning of camp in preparation for the next week. Staff then typically re-assemble at noon on Sunday in preparation for campers arriving that afternoon. During the time off, staff are welcome to stay on camp, visit nearby towns, visit the nearby National Parks, hike, relax, watch movies, read, and do any number of other activities. Staff are still employees during this time and should remember that their conduct reflects upon the camp in the local community. A Scout is courteous! Should the time off period change, staff will be notified in advance.
Does a daily schedule have downtime to relax?
Yes, the daily schedule does have time for you to relax. Every day at lunch is a break. Depending on the day the afternoons and evenings can also be off as well. The specific afternoons and evenings depend on each person's schedule.
Are we still fed on days off?
No, meals are not provided to staff on days off but they do have access to a kitchen to cook food and can leave property to eat out or buy groceries. Typically, some leftovers from the week will also be set aside by our chef and cooking staff for staff to consume during this time off.
Is the uniform provided or do I need to pay for it?
Wehinahpay Mountain Camp will provide some of the staff uniforms and provide recommendations and/or discounts through the council's Scout store or the Camp Trading Post for the rest of the uniform parts. The staff uniform is twofold, consisting of both the field uniform (Scouts BSA, Venturing, or Sea Scouts) and an activity uniform (staff shirt and appropriate pants).
Do I need to be a Scout or Scouter?
No, you do not need prior Scouting experience to work at camp. That said, all staff will be required to fill out a membership application during the onboarding process and will be a member of the BSA during the duration of their employment.
Do I need a Scout uniform?
Yes, the Scouting field uniform, cordially known as the "Class A" uniform is a part of the staff uniform at Wehinhapay Mountain Camp. Staff who already own a Scout uniform other than the Cub Scout uniform (Scouts BSA, Venturing, and Sea Scouting) may wear it on staff with the addition of the camp staff emblem, and silver shoulder loops. Those who do not own a Scout uniform are recommended to purchase a green Venturing uniform. Feel free to contact camp administration regarding the appropriate patches needed for the uniform shirt along with other uniform parts.
Can I get time off to spend with my unit on a trip?
That can be arranged. Just let us know in advance so we can look at the schedule and make sure we can still run the program. You will not be paid for the days you spend away from camp on trips.
Can I get time off for personal or family reasons?
Yes, much like with getting time off for a unit trip we just ask you to let us know as much in advance as possible.
What are the rules about tattoos, piercings, and hair?
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Hair should be well-kept and clean.
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Facial hair should be well-kept and clean, those with scraggly or patchy facial hair will need to shave.
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Tattoos must be Scout-appropriate or covered.
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Allowed visible piercings: ear
If you have any specific questions you should contact the camp administration.
With service being limited how can I call home/ receive calls from my family?
The office has a phone that staff can use to make phone calls, please note that during peak business hours, the priority is camp business and the phone might not always be available. Additionally, Wi-Fi calling is available through the camp’s Internet connection, but with the limited bandwidth of the camp and our request of campers, staff should refrain from using the network for any streaming services while campers are in camp.
What if I forget to bring something?
There are a variety of solutions to forgetting something:
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Items can be mailed to the camp, please expect some delay due to the remote location of camp and most mail has to be picked up in town.
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You might find a replacement in the Camp Trading Post which you may purchase using your staff discount.
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The closest convenience store is The Weed Store in Weed, NM about 20 minutes from camp.
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The closest town is the Village of Cloudcroft, NM about 1 hour from camp.
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The closest city is Alamogordo, NM, about 1.5 hours from camp.
If you have other questions regarding replacing or getting forgotten items to you, feel free to contact the camp or program director.
Should I bring non-Scouting clothes?
Yes, it’s typically recommended to wear non-Scouting clothing during the time off period. While the exact choice of fashion is up to you, it should follow the same guidelines as set out in the staff handbook that staff receive.
What if I have dietary restrictions such as vegetarian, food allergies, gluten-free, etc?
When you are filling out hiring paperwork there is a section to talk about any dietary restrictions and we are happy to accommodate. If you have any questions or concerns you can contact the camp administration.
Why hasn't my email been replied to?
We try to get back to your questions promptly, but some require some extra discussion to give you the answer you deserve. For staff and staff applicants under the age of 18, a parent or guardian MUST be cc'd on your emails to us, if there isn't one attached, we will not respond.